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  • Clare Stages yr 2000 - crash at Fr. Ted's house

    I posted this in the You Tube thread but thought it was worth a mention here too

    I've been doing an attic clear out and found a long lost VHS with in car footage that captured a pretty big crash I had on the Clare Stages way back in the year 2000. So I converted to digital and uploaded to YouTube for all to see.
    Background explanation below.

    This is in car footage from Tony Guerin from stage 1 of the Clare Stages rally year 2000 in County Clare , Ireland. Hard to see in the footage but the stage end was at the gates of the house used for the Fr. Ted TV series. We were competing in the Class 9 in the National Championship that year and were doing quite well having scored points in a number of rounds.

    Unfortunately we were given a very poor seeding in this rally, seeded behind a number of slower and even beginner drivers (e.g. the RWD Corolla Twin Cam at 10:00 mins - it was that drivers first event).
    We requested a re-seeding before the event but didn't get a satisfactory one. The driver that caused the accident was in the FWD Corolla Twin Cam shown at the start line. He passed the flying finish which ran into a blind 3 left corner. For some unknown reason he then stopped and reversed back the live stage where we met him at full speed right at the flying finish. There was nowhere to go on the narrow road so the result for us was a written off rally car.

    Luckily there were no serious injuries but we were lucky.
    Video timelines Tony in Peugeot 205 gti catches RWD Twin Cam at 10:00 mins
    We then caught the Twin Cam and also started catching the 205gti at 10:58 mins
    We eventually passed the 205 gti at 12:50 mins in the video which was right before the crash at the stage end 13:15

    The car was a 1983 Mk3 Escort FWD fitted with a 1340 cc Suzuki Swift Gti engine Dangerous situation with new drivers seeded ahead of much faster drivers and also blind corners after the finish line.

    Last edited by Gn3dr; 30-11-2022, 11:55 PM.

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    Tony Guerin... From Limerick, bit of an ace mechanic? Would have been friendly with Roland Doherty and Sue (Maloney) Doherty {RIP}?


    Was always my biggest fear, when I was rallying, the car going the wrong way. ​​​
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    • #3
      Thanks for taking time to share that, thoroughly enjoyed it, nice piloting and co-piloting, especially with the distraction of the slower car, BA Baracus would be equally proud of your over enthusiastic handbrake turn too
      I’m standing in a field full of sheep, is it wrong that I feel aroused?? 🤨🤪

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Tristan View Post
        Tony Guerin... From Limerick, bit of an ace mechanic? Would have been friendly with Roland Doherty and Sue (Maloney) Doherty {RIP}?


        Was always my biggest fear, when I was rallying, the car going the wrong way. ​​​
        Tony from Limerick yeah. Didn't know him personally - just got the footage from him afterwards. Decent guy.
        I raced against Roland and Sue in class 9 all teh time - we were always dicing but he was generally quicker.
        Sad - I didn't know she was gone.

        The annoying thing about the whole episode was I reported it to the competitor liaison officer and all the usual stuff. Spoke to him on the phone later and told him it was a reseeding problem - putting faster drivers down back behind first time locals etc. When I told him I caught 2 cars on the stage his response was - "ye were flying so" (he was a cop as a day job!) - had to respond by saying that was the general idea with the sport. From a safety point of view though - I was involved in CAC meetings etc at the time so would have heard any discussion ay Motorsport Ireland level) but the next time I heard anything about that issue was at the Clare stages drivers briefing in 2002 (2001 had practically no rallying due to foot and mouth disease). It proved to me that the sport didn't have the capability to learn from each event to prevent issues in other events.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bazg2 View Post
          Thanks for taking time to share that, thoroughly enjoyed it, nice piloting and co-piloting, especially with the distraction of the slower car, BA Baracus would be equally proud of your over enthusiastic handbrake turn too
          Thanks - I wasn't in the car that the footage was from though - I was driving the white Escort that crashed into the gobshite that reversed back the stage.

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          • #6
            Ah right, I get ye now.
            I’m standing in a field full of sheep, is it wrong that I feel aroused?? 🤨🤪

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            • #7
              I used to service on occasion for Roland, with the 1400 Nova, and his brother Niall in the yellow one.

              Yeah poor Sue passed very suddenly a couple of years or so ago, a bleed on the brain or something.

              How had you been doing on the stage up to the crash?

              Maddening that the repercussions of the seeding wasn't properly discussed and taken on board.


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              Last edited by Tristan; 01-12-2022, 12:59 AM.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tristan View Post
                I used to service on occasion for Roland, with the 1400 Nova, and his brother Niall in the yellow one.

                Yeah poor Sue passed very suddenly a couple of years or so ago, a bleed on the brain or something.

                How had you been doing on the stage up to the crash?

                Maddening that the repercussions of the seeding wasn't properly discussed and taken on board.


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                I thought we were going quite well during the stage. Can't remember if we actually got a stage time. Probably not as we never reached the stop car.

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                • #9
                  wow thats mental.... were any sanctions taken against the driver for reversing up the stage..... Rallying basics....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by -MICK- View Post
                    wow thats mental.... were any sanctions taken against the driver for reversing up the stage..... Rallying basics....
                    Nothing done. That's what was annoying. It could have happened again. Not sure now if driver training has improved.

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                    • #11
                      Yikes, motorsport is dangerous enough without out someone reversing into you at the flying finish.
                      Thanks for sharing, I'm sure that onboard tech wasn't quite the gopro setups of today.
                      I've had my own run ins with MI officials in the 00's, less said the better.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gn3dr View Post

                        Nothing done. That's what was annoying. It could have happened again. Not sure now if driver training has improved.
                        In a word, NO.

                        Officials training has come on hugely though. As has safety, rescue crews etc.
                        But trying to get the drivers to do anything other than turn up and drive fast, whilst complaining about the cost of everything.....
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                        • #13
                          The most surprising thing that I took from the video was how easily the door closed on the Mk3 Escort after the shunt!

                          Great video though, thanks for uploading

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kadett 244 View Post
                            The most surprising thing that I took from the video was how easily the door closed on the Mk3 Escort after the shunt!

                            Great video though, thanks for uploading
                            Shell held up well enough alright but the car had to be re-shelled as it was past saving after that. The shell was seam welded, had a Safety Devices cage and also had extra triangulation bars from the bulkhead / A pillar to the strut top turrets.
                            It hit so hard that the back lifted and swung left into a tree which even bent the rear shock / strut. I think, from memory, it broke the gearbox housing and a bit off the engine block also.

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