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    There is just something about the frequent deaths at the TT that irks me and I think it’s the boiler plate press release format from the organisers. What sporting event expects deaths so they have a template ready to go and a token cancellation for the rest of the day as a matter of routine and the following day it’s all back to normal again? I get that the show must go on and all that but it just seems weird in 2022 when motorsport is generally very safe. It’s also the only coverage you get from the event so it seems to be just about people dying.

  • #2
    Firstly who is Cold?? I’ve missed this name change.

    I agree with you on the TT. While I love all forms of motorsport and hate the thoughts of the nanny state removing all risk and fun I’m stunned the TT races are allowed continue as is. Death is a certainty every year yet it’s not a problem. Very strange.

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    • #3
      Not sure how else they could handle it.

      It's a dangerous sport like many - climbing, free-diving, base-jumping, etc - but one of the last motorsports where the risks haven't been mitigated almost out of existence. Fwiw my view is that while riders are prepared to compete and take the risks, let them.

      Not reporting the casualties would be wrong, over dramatising them would help accelerate the demise of the sport. I think the formula they have adopted is about right.

      edit - re coverage, if you're interested, ITV4 has highlights of the race on a free to air basis:

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      Last edited by -alan-; 06-06-2022, 10:47 AM.

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      • #4
        I know it's on ITV4 (which is not trivial to access on Sky at least) but what I was referring to it's not an event that shows up on any of the usual motor racing websites that I look at or channel that can be easily accessed. The only mention is about the occasional death. It's a sporting irrelevance other than for the fact that some randomer dies at it every couple of days and I'm not sure that makes much sense tbh. I guess the flip side is that the rest of motorsport decided that this is a bunch of b0llocks and fixed it and seem to be doing quite well as a result. The TT is more like a freak show.

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        • #5
          Road racing is an amazing sport. It is the last of the gladiator sports. Just man and machine in a race to win your competitors and beat death. Unfortunately if people admit it or not, this is a part of it for the competitors and spectators. This is just the reality of it. Everyone knows the score and freely partakes.

          It is easy to push hard if you know that you will land in a safety net. Not so easy when you know that you will be obliterated. Brave souls. One of the last true sports left. Insane and long may it last.

          Rally Raids like the Paris-Dakar, or whatever is in called now, has similar appeal for the same reasons. No nannying, just man and machine and balls to the wall.
          Last edited by markcro; 06-06-2022, 02:03 PM.
          We all stood around in a circle naked, thrusting our clinched fists in the air screaming "Jap Power!!"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cold View Post
            I know it's on ITV4 (which is not trivial to access on Sky at least) but what I was referring to it's not an event that shows up on any of the usual motor racing websites that I look at or channel that can be easily accessed. The only mention is about the occasional death. It's a sporting irrelevance other than for the fact that some randomer dies at it every couple of days and I'm not sure that makes much sense tbh. I guess the flip side is that the rest of motorsport decided that this is a bunch of b0llocks and fixed it and seem to be doing quite well as a result. The TT is more like a freak show.
            Not sure what you mean by 'freak show' ? People die doing it, just like some of the other so called 'extreme' sports mentioned - but the fatalities are never televised. If you mean the people doing it are freaks, then I guess it's on a par with any of the more truly extreme activities folk engage in. Not sure how it scores in the mortality rates compared to climbing Everest, free climbing El Capitaine or the like, but would you label those as a bit of a freak show too ?

            Possibly the reason it doesn't fit in with the other more commercialised forms of sport is just simply that - too high a mortality rate. Sponsors get edgy when people die in sports they are associate with, and that doesn't fit well with the marketing models that direct funds towards particular sports. Doesn't render it any less of a sport - imho of course

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            • #7
              Free will, personal responsibility and all that, as Alan says plenty of other things out there that can kill you that we still allow folk to do.
              Like those pursuits, you'd like to think its a young persons game, with little responsibilities is it goes South.
              Anyone with kids still competing, not so much...if you choose to bring a child into the world, I feel its kind of incumbent on you to do your best to stick around and generally avoid doing stuff that has a reasonable risk of you leaving them .

              Not really sure what TV channel it on or how many websites its covered on is a relevant metric for allowing it to carry on, if anything I'd have thought the more it flies below the radar , the better?

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              • #8
                I don't think I wrote that it should be banned? Mainly because I really couldn't care less. I do think it's a bit sad that a sporting event only really gets any recognition because somebody dies at it. If I were running a sporting event I think I would look for other KPIs personally.

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                • #9
                  And by the way, maybe a challenge for those of you on the freedom bandwagon: without looking it up, can you say anything about anything sports related with this year’s TT? And if you can’t then why not? Given that it’s so important and so amazing.

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                  • #10
                    Cold

                    No disrespect but some of your recent musings on here suggests it may be more your thing concentrating on a political forum than a motoring orientated forum?





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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cold View Post
                      I know it's on ITV4 (which is not trivial to access on Sky at least) but what I was referring to it's not an event that shows up on any of the usual motor racing websites that I look at or channel that can be easily accessed. The only mention is about the occasional death. It's a sporting irrelevance other than for the fact that some randomer dies at it every couple of days and I'm not sure that makes much sense tbh. I guess the flip side is that the rest of motorsport decided that this is a bunch of b0llocks and fixed it and seem to be doing quite well as a result. The TT is more like a freak show.
                      I love the fact its not over commercialised. You can stand nearly arms length away from the riders as they pass at 180mph, you can go into the paddock watch the teams working on their bikes, sign autographs and pose for pictures all for free. You've got to admire them for not trying capitalise on every little thing, like most other sporting events.

                      This is the first year it's broadcasted live through a streaming service, I think its about €20 for every qualifying and race season.


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                      • #12
                        For those that do it, as mentioned they are well aware of the risks but it's their life and for many of them, I can imagine many would take the risk that goes with it rather than not being able to do it at all as they would consider it no life to live anyway.


                        Agreed though with Foyler. It is a sport that lends itself to one who doesn't have many ties or responsibilities and if you've got kids, the joy of being around for them as long as possible should far outweigh the risk of pushing hard for an extra few tenths here and there on a TT lap.

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                        • #13
                          "Closer to the Edge" is a great film. My missus had no interest or understanding of road racing until she watched this. And even she got it. Pure insanity, skill and bravery. Amazing sport.
                          We all stood around in a circle naked, thrusting our clinched fists in the air screaming "Jap Power!!"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by miller View Post
                            Cold

                            No disrespect but some of your recent musings on here suggests it may be more your thing concentrating on a political forum than a motoring orientated forum?





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                            Ah that is not cool. One thing is nothing to do with the other. And for the sake of conversation it is anyone's right to question, disagree or blank point want something banned without people getting defensive. Otherwise we would have no conversation and end up sitting around holding each other's c0cks all patting each other's back for agreeing with other.
                            We all stood around in a circle naked, thrusting our clinched fists in the air screaming "Jap Power!!"

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                            • #15
                              Closer to the edge is indeed excellent. I’ve watched the practice as well. Once unsuccessfully as they cancelled the session due to weather and once successfully. And you do get close. Perhaps no closer than rallying though. I’ve done the mountain road and many other roads on Isle of Man at bonkers and perhaps rarely safe speeds as well so I get it. I like the guys who get up at 6am to do the full course at max speed.

                              I’m just getting a bit miffed about the dying being routine.

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