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  • Anyone but max 2023!

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    • Lol or ham.
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      • I would like to think there will be fireworks in Redbull next year but suspect Checo will just toe the line. I'm not a fan of Max just like and for the same reason I was not a fan of daddy dearest. I always remember Jos as being a complete and utter tosser in his day.
        While I like Checo I'm glad LeClerc held on to second.
        Can't help thinking Hamilton is following in Vettels footsteps and making lots of mistakes. We'll see how that pans out for 2023.
        Sad to see Vettel retire as his interviews were entertaining.
        When trouble arises and things look bad, there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command.

        Very often that individual is crazy.

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        • Was a bit of flat season compared to last year, mainly due to no fight at the top, was a pity Ferrari did a Ferrari and lacked consistency given their speed at the start of the season, Max v Charles would have been a good one. Another thing that failed to materialise some interest was that despite the massive change in regulations, we were left with the same situation with the top teams being miles ahead of everyone else. Cars seem to be better for following each other from what they say but they look massive and ponderous as a result. But minor enough quibble there to be honest, given the drivers seem to be able to race closer with less drop off, so guess the regulations are a success overall.

          Max is not that popular but no denying his talent. C4 and a few others saying (think even Damon Hill), that Red Bull did not have the level of dominance over the other teams that Mercedes had at times in the hybrid era, especially in the first few years, yet he walked away with it. Not knocking what Hamilton achieved, but given he only had a teammate to beat mad to think he never beat the 13 wins in a season. C4 were all over that George beat him this year, but think was just at the start Mercedes were doing their experiments on Hamilton's car plus maybe he not up to form after last season's efforts and result, so George got the run on him, but once Hamilton settled he had the measure on him (until Brazil) and even the same yesterday until Hamilton retired. But his first year in the team and that, and got a win so fair dues. Be interesting next year to see who will be Mercedes top dog, especially if they are fighting for championships. And hopefully Ferrari can iron our their problems this year while still having a fast car.

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          • I'm not sure Mercedes are as hard and fast with driver one and two as RB are?
            They let Rosberg race Hamilton in fairness
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            • I believe that is why Rossberg retired right after he won his title.

              The pressure and stress of the battle with Hamilton that season got to him and he said one will do me,thanks very much.

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              • I'd say RB is very much Max + another and RB doesn't want any hassle.

                I see that Ferrari actually did something clever with the strategy by tricking RB into a pit stop: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...habi/10403173/

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                • Yea and nice driving by Leclerc, paced it nicely. I think he'd have held Perez for a lap or two if it came to it. While I like Perez he just didn't drive well enough to deserve the runner up spot.
                  Really would be nice to have someone give Max a run for his money next year. Most likely, Mercedes will as they seem to have figured out their car.

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                  • Binotto gone
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                    • Originally posted by ozy View Post
                      Binotto gone
                      If I were Ferrari I'd just keep shouting larger and larger numbers at Ross Brawn until he accepted.
                      "All the finesse of a badger." (cdiv)

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                      • Originally posted by SJ View Post

                        If I were Ferrari I'd just keep shouting larger and larger numbers at Ross Brawn until he accepted.
                        You know, that's a thought I've had recently too. available too.
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                        • Creating a CTO role within F1 governance was a stroke of genius. It doesn’t have to be Ross Brawn but he was the ideal guy for that role. I’m surprised he retired from it, it’s quite a cushy number. If he’s in the retirement mindset, he will never go back to Ferrari. That will be anything other than cushy.

                          I’d say Ferrari should never have promoted Binotto and he himself should have had the sense not to take the role. You need much more political and managerial animals in those positions. What do Toto Wolff or Christian Horner know about engines or suspension setup?

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                          • IMO a tad harsh sacking him. Ferrari is a mess and has been for ages. They favour Italian people rather than going outside for expertise in general, bar when they had the Brawn, Todt and co at the helm, so that limits their options for selecting a very specialised role. They did improve the car massively in the last few years so were making good headway. Strategy and reliability and crashing at the worst timing went against them this year. They said all along they accepted this year to be poor for reliability due to going with a totally new engine design before the freeze as can still make changes for reliability. Strategy ain't going to change by sacking the team manager, and the mistakes could be put down to Leclerc over driving trying to claw back points from the points losses due to strategy and reliability in other races.

                            Think Ferrari should have given him another year to sort out the kinks and have continuity. Rather than put in an unknown and have them change the shop and lose another year trying with everyone trying to find their feet with the new roles, etc.
                            Last edited by jimgti; 29-11-2022, 01:50 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by Cold View Post
                              Creating a CTO role within F1 governance was a stroke of genius. It doesn’t have to be Ross Brawn but he was the ideal guy for that role. I’m surprised he retired from it, it’s quite a cushy number. If he’s in the retirement mindset, he will never go back to Ferrari. That will be anything other than cushy.

                              I’d say Ferrari should never have promoted Binotto and he himself should have had the sense not to take the role. You need much more political and managerial animals in those positions. What do Toto Wolff or Christian Horner know about engines or suspension setup?
                              Probably a lot more than you think
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                              2001 Alfa 166 3.0 Proteo Rosso - The Beast - resting for now
                              2000 Alfa 166 2.5 V6 Auto Verde Argo - the Baby
                              1999 Alfa 166 2.5 V6 Grigio Nettuno - Track Car
                              1984 Alfasud 1.5 Gold Cloverleaf Florentine Copper - the other Baby

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                              • My point, in case it wasn't obvious, was that they're not engineers. They were both drivers who moved into management. So they understand the business of motorsport and what it takes to win as a driver and what you need around you to make it happen. I'm sure this is more important than knowing the details of the engine.

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