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Well efuels have been approved. Continue as you were.
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they are regulated here, it’s illegal to drive without having your hands on the wheel in EU, we are not America!Originally posted by Alfaguy View Post
I’m standing in a field full of sheep, is it wrong that I feel aroused?? 🤨🤪Comment
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Meanwhile Germany an EU decided on a fossil fuel ban... since when we’re Germany in control.... 😒I’m standing in a field full of sheep, is it wrong that I feel aroused?? 🤨🤪Comment
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You obviously haven't really understood what has just happened. A few months ago ICE was dead, it's now alive. "Carbon neutral" will be defined to mean whatever. It will also mean that efuel R&D will be accelerated and might become a feasible alternative. Oil isn't forever the last I looked so we need alternatives eventually.Comment
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It really was the unexpected turnaround allright, I did not expect Germany to about face at this late stage when they had already seemed to have agreed in principle and the big makes all had electrification plans... maybe they've realized that they're really not very good at this compared to the Koreans and Chinese or even the Americans?
There's a few things about E-Fuels that worry me...
1. In order for new cars to get the go ahead to be regarded as carbon neutral, they will have to show they can only run on e-fuels, how this will be achieved, who knows, but will this stop older cars being able to run on e-fuels? In a way this could be a bigger existential thread to older cars than electrification as existing petrol pumps get taken over by e-fuel pumps with three or even 4 seperate liquid fuels on the forecourt.
2. The EU will let it slide for a while but then there's a big dieselgate style expose, which wouldn't be hard as the rationale behind e-fuels is exceptionally dubious at best, and the resultant knee-jerk reaction like dieselgate actually does more long term damage.
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There's nothing to stop individual countries in the EU implementing urban, suburban, rural or national emissions rules which could either ban or highly levy vehicles that emit any tailpipe emissions.
This would in effect be a country by country ban on ICE.
Efuels are not the answer to mass mobility, they're a solution to a niche section.
I can see the French leading the charge on it too.Comment
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Yes, aside from being an outrageously expensive way to make fuel (even compared to Ethanol or Hydrogen), this isn't about letting regular people have piston engined cars, this is about high profit manufacturers that are tied up with national pride. Porsche to an extent, but especially Ferrari. Ferrari without engines is just second fiddle Pininfarina.Originally posted by Section4 View Post
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calling crank_case , crank_case to reception please
I don't know if this has been posted but I am very impressed. Its the Citreon Oli which is one of one at the moment so basically a proof of concept. However I think it is genius and love it. Made from cardboard and plastic its a pared back city car that weights 1,000kg and has over 200 miles range while limited to a top speed of 68mph.
Have a look and see what ye think. I'm all Oh la la!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAdlm8-h_GE_________________
Older but no wiser.Comment
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It's certainly interesting, but whether people will accept a car that might be a minor liability on the motorway is another matter. It seems the Euro makers can't quite make a cheap EV without trying to frame it as a hypothetical "city car" just yet. Still, clever design other than that.Originally posted by Traco View PostComment
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Just watched that.
The thing weighs nearly 3 tonnes, bonkers how anything like that can be considered
better for the environment.
And quality control must have missed that the SV badged kick plate on the drivers side
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At that weight if you fill it woth people and luggage you will be over 3500kg and illegal. Crazy for a normal vehicle to weigh that much.Originally posted by Titan View Post_________________
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I happened to do some CO2 math over the weekend for a laugh. Maybe somewhat related to the discussion at hand. In Ireland, the CO2 payback time for an EV over ICE is about 7 years. I guess nobody really gives a toss anyhow but if you were to buy an EV, I would suggest do it for other reasons. Reduction in NOx, looking smarter than your neighbours/colleagues, attracting the opposite or same sex depending on preferences, saving some money, that kind of thing.
I also created a model where let's say the EU has 10M cars, what happens if we replace 1M of them with an EV over the next 10 years, using average EU grid CO2 intensity. Ireland's CO2 intensity is higher than the EU average, by the way.
The upshot is that it's only in year 7 onwards that the EU would be CO2 positive from this move and the steady state at year 10 when all cars are EVs and assuming 1M cars continue to be bought every year, is about 25% better than when it was all ICE in year 0. CO2 actually went up in years 1-3 due to the front-loading of CO2 in EV manufacturing so the environment will temporarily be worse off.
Which basically tells us that consuming to solve CO2 won't really work if we want a very big improvement. Obviously if grids become much cleaner eventually and manufacturing becomes cleaner eventually then numbers improve but I think you can also argue that we can wait until those things are factually the case and then make the switch.
I also did a model where I assume that ICE would be 30% more efficient and these more efficient cars would also enter the market with 1M cars a year and fuels would have 20% less CO2 emission with bio content or whatever applicable to all ICE, new or old. This achieved a 30% saving in year 10 with immediate CO2 reduction benefits in year 1 as you would expect.
I did some basic validation on the numbers so I think they might be ballpark correct but maybe don't bet the mortgage on it.Comment
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All that to mostly run to the shops and do the school runs 🙄Originally posted by Traco View PostComment
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